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If you were watching
you now know why things like this should NEVER BE TRANSMITTED ON TV or any other type of social media. I keep telling people, I keep beating this drum, we need to stay OFF social media sites, especially the ones owned by China - which is most of them.
Zelenskyy, Trump and Vance had everything but a knock-down, drag-out fight on LIVE tv. How stupid. This I'm sorry to say to Trump/Vance, is NOT the way to make peace or to ask for rare earth minerals. Maybe Zelenskyy is not the top dog in this fight but they should never have done this. I just lost a lot of respect for Trump AND Vance. And this wasn't JUST about rare earth minerals, there were other things involved (cease-fires, security guarantees, etc).
A government which robs Peter to
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Also, Zelenskyy is actually just learning to speak English and I think he doesn't always use the words with the intention he means. It's hard to express yourself when you are not speaking in your NATIVE LANGUAGE.
I truly do blame Trump and Vance for this oversight and they were no help at all. It's really too bad Elon wasn't there, he might have been able to smooth things over because he seems to have a much less eruptive personality.
A government which robs Peter to
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Even after watching the exchange endlessly yesterday (it was on EVERY CHANNEL ALL DAMNED DAY LONG) I still feel our side was wrong in how this was handled. Trump AND Vance need to take a step back and re-think their words and actions, They acted like dictators and now they have lost a huge bargaining chip for America, I'm sorry they did that. THEY BLEW IT. VANCE started it with his accusations of not meeting behind "closed doors" which is what Zelenskyy wanted from the get-go. Trump and Vance both were on their high horses demanding things (respect, etc) they criticized how Zelenskyy was dressed (?) what did that have to do with anything?
Our two top leaders made buffoons of themselves, I'm sorry to say, that's how I feel. If they truly wanted the details to be "closed door" then that's how they should have set it up. Transparency also reveals the warts in these talks, not just the "heroics" of which I saw none.
Now, Zelenskyy doesn't speak English very well and he may have used words in the wrong manner or misunderstood some of the oval office words (we'll never know that for sure) but I truly do not blame him for being defiant. HE HAS SOMETHING WE WANTED AND NOW DIDN'T GET BECAUSE TRUMP AND VANCE LOST THEIR COOL. I am somewhat ashamed of our media lapdogs because none of them from the right carried the proper message. They continually blamed Zelenskyy for all that went wrong, when in fact JD started it with his accusations. Just go back and watch it and you'll see where the train went off the rails and had a wreck.
I'm sorry but this was a disaster and if the USA now doesn't get those "minerals" guess who we have to blame? Trump came off like some entitled, and someone who felt the deal was already in the bag and that he could say whatever he wanted. I like that Trump is outspoken but this is out of bounds. TOTALLY.
Incidently, JD Vance started the whole thing (along with Lindsay Graham), why was he even there? Trump could have handled this on his own but then he started threatening WW3. What the hell was THAT all about? Then he told Zelenskyy he "wasn't a smart person and that he "needed" to be more thankful. I mean, REALLY???? That was totally over the top. The USA needs to back off.
I know the repubs close to Trump want to make this sound like it was ALL Zelenskyy's fault and THAT is not true.
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That’s how Trump talked in the boardroom of Apprentice. Really obnoxious. Insulting. Condescending. Controlling.
A president who is trying to broker peace should never resort to behavior like this, not even at the behest of Vance.
A government which robs Peter to
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Now the WH has apparently received an apology they feel they can accept. (?)
We'll see how it goes. Do you think it will be something great for America?
A government which robs Peter to
pay Paul can always depend on
the support of Paul. -- George Bernard Shaw
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