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August 22, 2017 7:10 am  #1

Trump is clueless on Afghanistan

It scares me to say that, because we ALL had so much hope when he was elected.  We hoped he would change a lot of things that went wrong whilst Obozo was our *faux leader*.  But no.  He's a cookie-cutter of all past presidents and carries his brains and his courage in his pockets.

And I told you there was more to that Mike Flynn firing than met the eye.  I will always believe he knew too much and the "establishment" was afraid of him because he might actually get in there and change things for the better.

This message is from a Ron Paul e-newsletter, and is not very encouraging.  There is no link, sorry.

 Like me, many of you watched President Trump's train wreck of a speech on Afghanistan earlier tonight. It's nearly midnight and I am still reeling.

I guess it was too much to ask to hear him admit the obvious and draw the obvious conclusions: After 16 years - the longest war in US history - no one even remembers what we are fighting for in Afghanistan. The war is over. Not another American (or innocent Afghan) life for one of the most convoluted and idiotic wars in history!

Trump of 2012 and 2013 said just that. Candidate Trump said just that. Then tonight he told us that once you sit in that chair in the Oval Office you see things differently. What does that mean? Once elected you betray your promises so as to please the deep state?

Here's the truth that neither President Trump nor his newfound neocon coterie can deny:

1) A gang of radical Saudis attacked the US on 9/11. Their leader, Osama bin Laden, was a CIA favorite when he was fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan. He clearly listed his grievances after he fell out with his CIA sponsors: US sanctions in Iraq were killing innocents; US policy grossly favored the Israelis in the conflict with Palestinians; and US troops in his Saudi holy land were unacceptable.

2) Osama's radicals roamed from country to country until they were able to briefly settle in chaotic late 1990s Afghanistan for a time. They plotted the attack on the US from Florida, Germany, and elsewhere. They allegedly had a training camp in Afghanistan. We know from the once-secret 28 pages of the Congressional Intelligence Committee report on 9/11 that they had Saudi state sponsorship.

3) Bin Laden's group of Saudis attacked the US on 9/11. Washington's neocons attacked Afghanistan and then Iraq in retaliation, neither of which had much to do with bin Laden or 9/11. Certainly not when compared to the complicity of the Saudi government at the highest levels.

4) Sixteen years -- and trillions of dollars and thousands of US military lives -- later no one knows what the goals are in Afghanistan. Not even Trump, which is why he said tonight that he would no longer discuss our objectives in Afghanistan but instead would just concentrate on "killing terrorists." Gen. Mike Flynn had it right in 2015 when he said that the US drone program was creating more terrorists than it was killing.

Trump's foolish escalation will do the same. It will fail because it cannot do otherwise. It will only create more terrorists to justify more US intervention. And so on until our financial collapse. The US government cannot kill its way to peace in Afghanistan. Or anywhere else.

A government which robs Peter to
pay Paul can always depend on
the support of Paul.
-- George Bernard Shaw

August 22, 2017 7:49 am  #2

Re: Trump is clueless on Afghanistan

I gotta tell ya - - when Lindsey Graham and Paul Ryan AGREE with President Trump on any issue at all, it makes me very nervous.  It also makes me look deeper into why they might be agreeing with him.  Here's what I think: the real reason we stay in the ME is because of the trillions ($) in rare earth and other minerals in the area (i.e., oil, natural gas, and opium just for starters). This war is about making the corporations and banks richer - nothing else.

Now that solves the riddle as to why Graham, Ryan and quite a few other CONgresspeople are agreeing with Trump on this Afghan thing.  It was started by one of the members of the biggest crime family in the USA (GWB) and perpetuated by the Black Petunia who followed him into office.  Neither of those two idiots had a plan to get out of the middle east, but both had lots of help planning how to stay there as long as possible.

It's pure craziness and I hope like hell this is a ruse of Trump's to bring something else to the forefront without tipping off the stupids in CONgress.  It seems if Trump shows his hand, he gets nothing accomplished, so all we can do is hope he's got something brewing on the back burner and he's not telling ANYONE.

It's our only hope of ever getting out the ME and trying to regain any sort of sanity on american soil.

Last edited by Debrah (August 22, 2017 8:07 am)

A government which robs Peter to
pay Paul can always depend on
the support of Paul.
-- George Bernard Shaw
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